NOTE: Count to Pentecost still under study and review. See preliminary post here: What is the True Count to Pentecost?
Notes regarding this months calendar:Even though the Count to Pentecost is still under study and review, this months calendar shows the full count as reviewed, on the 29th day of the 4th month, the last Shabbat of the 4th month.
You will also note the small blue numbers in the upper right corners of each day. These are the counting of the 50 days from the Feast of Weeks at the end of "Seven Sabbaths complete," which ends on the 8th day of the 3rd month, the Shabbat of the 8th day of the month.
When you count 7 Sabbaths complete, from the Wave Sheaf on the 16th day of the 1st month, then count and add 50 days to the 7 Sabbaths complete, the total is 99 days (49 and 50) and ends the count on the 28th day of the 4th month, the next day being the feast (chag)
Further info to come as study and review of the Count to Pentecost continue.
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Saturday, July 2, 2011
Friday, June 3, 2011
3rd Month Sivan YHWH's Calendar June-July 2011-2012
This calendar was revised on Jun 28 2011 to show 30 days in the 3rd month. Although Pentecost has been studied and found to be in the 4th month, it is left in place here in the traditionally understood date.
NOTE: Pentecost is shown on the traditional Jewish Calendar date of Sivan 9 (sunset June 10 to sunset June 11), without including man-made Judaic POSTPONEMENTS. Pentecost timing is still under consideration by this author, as there exists the possibility that Pentecost occurs in the 4th month during harvest. Scriptural and logical arguments are made on both sides. Study of Pentecost still under review.Thursday, May 5, 2011
Sunday, April 3, 2011
Friday, March 4, 2011
Tuesday, February 22, 2011
Thursday, January 6, 2011
Friday, December 17, 2010
More Information Revealed about Nebra Sky Disk
German Museum of Prehistory Confirms Possible
Connection between Moses, Pleiades, Nebra Sky Disk
Is there more to Yahuwah's calendar of scripture than has yet been revealed? A Work in Progress
In March of 2010, I "accidentally" stumbled onto what appears to be a connection between Yah's calendar of scripture, the star cluster known as the Pleiades and the Nebra Sky Disk. The Nebra Sky Disk was found near Nebra, Germany in 1999 and may be the oldest archaeological find in history. The artifact has been tested for authenticity, and is estimated to be about 3600 years old. This dates the relic to prior to the time of Moses and the Israelites in Egypt. The Pleiades is mentioned directly three times in scripture, in the book of Job and Amos. (Job 9:9 and 38:31, and Amos 5:8) The difficulty of connecting the Nebra Sky Disk with the Biblical Calendar, is that the disk was found in Germany, and has been authenticated to have been made in and near the area it was found. The odd thing is that the art work on the disk appears to be similar to Mesopotamia art, which would have come from somewhere in the general area where Moses was given the instructions for the biblical calendar.
In March 2010, I wrote a paper describing what I had found. You can find the first article here:
http://yahwehstruelunarsabbathcalendar.blogspot.com/2010/03/moses-pleiades-and-nebra-sky-disk-what.html
During my exploration of this new idea, I located and corresponded with Rahlf Hansen, one of the primary astronomers working on the Nebra Sky Disk project. He is with the Planetarium of Hamburg, in Hamburg, Germany. Rahlf provided a short thesis of his conclusions about the Nebra Sky Disk, and the contents of that paper can be read here:
http://yahwehstruelunarsabbathcalendar.blogspot.com/2010/07/german-astronomer-confirms-possible_4400.html
Eventually, some astronomical questions about the Pleiades surfaced. The astronomical odds of the Pleiades coinciding with the biblical calendar seemed rather remarkable. After verifying some of the facts involved, I put these ideas in a paper about the distances and astronomical facts involved. That paper can be found here:
http://yahwehstruelunarsabbathcalendar.blogspot.com/2010/10/pleiades-what-are-odds.html
Nebra Sky Disk
Nebra Connections to the Creator's Biblical Calendar?
As I continued the study of the Nebra Disk and it's possible relation to the Creator's Biblical Calendar, the artwork depicted on the disk began to make more sense when compared to the Biblical Calendar. Some rather interesting "coincidences" presented themselves. I formulated those thoughts and ideas in an email to the folks working on the project in Germany.
Here's the summation of my conclusions that I presented to Rahlf Hansen, Planetarium of Hamburg, and Ralf Bockmann, State Museum of Prehistory, Halle/Saale, Germany:
I'd like to suggest that the large round object on the disk, the one most are calling the sun, may in fact be the moon. Looking at the moon and the Pleiades this month (October 2010) has firmed up this conviction. Here's my reasoning. In the published material, it is indicated that some kind of mixture, which included eggs, was applied to the disk, which made it appear dark and/or purplish, as if it were nighttime. I think this is the first clue.
The other indicators on the disk that suggest it is meant to be viewed at night, are the crescent in conjunction with the Pleiades, which would only be seen after sunset, or theoretically, dark. The second indicator are the three planets, mars, mercury, venues, also suggesting nighttime as one would not be able to see them unless it was dark. The third indicator is what you folks have labeled the "sun boat," at the bottom of the disk. My understanding is that this idea existed in cultures that thought that the sun went "in" at night, and came out again in the morning. Again, this suggests that it would be nighttime when the "sun boat" went in. And if the sun boat is portrayed, why would the sun need to also be portrayed as a full round object?
Now, from another perspective, let's look at the biblical lunisolar calendar. I checked the data for the past 10 years and the next 10 years and the crescent in conjunction or very near the Pleiades in the spring appears to point to the first biblical month of the year, which is usually April-May. There are those that begin the biblical year in March-April but my belief is that this is too early, particularly if the sun has not passed the equinoctial line. The first biblical month can begin in March-April, but as I believe, only when the sun has passed the turning point from winter to spring and the new moon occurs after that.
Note: In looking at the data for the period mentioned above, it also appears that the Pleiades does in fact indicate when a 13th month needs to be inserted, which means that it automatically signals the Metonic cycle to adjust the lunar to the solar year.
So far, from what I can tell in researching the data, the Pleiades in conjunction, or very near the moon, signals the same thing as if to begin the biblical year with the first new moon after the vernal equinox; not before, and not nearest; but after. The data on the Pleiades and the moon seem to confirm that.
Here's the point that really sells me on the idea of the large object on the Nebra disk being the moon. It is the relationship of the full moon and the Pleiades after the turn from summer to fall, after the autumnal equinox. This point is 6 months from the time that the Pleiades and the crescent appear in the spring. It is also the 7th biblical month, if the 1st month was started at the right time. I see this appearance of the full moon with the Pleiades as both a sign that the 1st biblical month was begun correctly, and also a confirmation of when the first biblical month will begin in the following spring.
Also, I found some information regarding German history and the moon festivals. Here's a clip of text; "The old non-agricultural Germans observed the new moon and the full moon as religious festivals (Tacitus Germania II). This sounds to me like it might have some connection to the Nebra Sky disk art, and possibly support the idea that the full round object on the disk is the moon and not the sun.
Thank you for your willingness to offer a review of my questions/conclusions. I look forward to hearing from you.
State Museum of Prehistory in Germany Responds
Dear Paul,
sorry for letting you wait a while. I think you are generally right with what you have been writing to us, and it does not generally contradict with what Rahlf Hansen and others have been saying. In fact, also in our publications the round object on the disc is interpreted as the full moon, not the sun, at least for the early stages.
The position of the crescent moon on the disc in relation to the Pleiades corresponds with their disappearance in March as it could be seen in central Germany around 1600 BC. The appearance of the full moon with the Pleiades on the other hand could be seen in October.
Both occurrences are indeed important for the agricultural year and have been used as markers of season basically long into the modern period in Europe, as Wolfhard Schlosser has been pointing out. Rahlf Hansen's reconstruction of the function of the first stage disc as a tool to memorize how to combine the lunar and solar calendars according to similar rules known from the ancient middle and near east has taken the whole interpretation of the original sky disc further.
Only in later stages, the horizon arcs were added indicating the use of the disc to observe the sun, and even later the symbol interpreted as "sun barque" in analogy to finds from the Bronze Age of Northern Europe has been added, indicating a change in the underlying philosophy and probably also in function of the disc. Altogether, it must have been used for several hundreds of years, and it does indeed depict knowledge that can be traced back to the early Neolithic.
I do not find it surprising to learn from you about the similarities with the biblical calendar, because the knowledge of using the night sky to measure time is attested in the region where the bible originates at very early times already and is of a very basic nature.
There is one important point though: We have to take into consideration that the Nebra Sky Disc has been produced in Europe about 3600 years ago and was surely made to work in exactly that environment. That is why Mr. Schlosser has reconstructed the night sky of that time, which corresponds with the months that I have mentioned above. But, in general, your idea is the same.
So, I think your thoughts on the round object being the moon in the original composition of the sky disc, and its importance in relation to the Pleiades, are quite right and correspond with what Wolfhard Schlosser and Rahlf Hansen have published.
Thank you very much for writing to us,
best wishes,
Ralf
Ralf Bockmann
State Office for Heritage Management and Archaeology Saxony-Anhalt
State Museum of Prehistory
Richard-Wagner-Strasse 9
06114 Halle/Saale
Germany
Summary~Conclusions
Does the Pleiades play a role in the Creator's Biblical Calendar? There are certainly some coincidences that should not be overlooked. Since we do not have clear evidence from scripture pinpointing the Pleiades within the framework of the Biblical Calendar, no assumptions should be made. There is still a need to verify the connections to see if they prove out over a period of time, and more importantly, historically. One of the difficulties in pursuing this issue is that there seems to be a lack of historical references to the Pleiades as it may relate to the Biblical Calendar. The fact does remain though, that there are three direct references to the Pleiades in scripture, and we should not just casually ignore their presence. We just need to determine Yah's reason for their mention.
Please email me with any questions or suggestions regarding this project; solitarytraveler1@gmail.com
Saturday, October 2, 2010
The Very Last Deception of Satan
Tossing out the Writings of Ellen White: Returning to Egypt
If you are a Seventh Day Adventist, or former SDA, and you have adopted the sunrise reckoning of the day, and daylight hours only for the Sabbath, you may have essentially fulfilled some of the end time prophecies of Ellen White. Ellen White told us that in the last days, near the end, that her writings, for all practical purposes, would be made void. The description of that fulfillment is found in the following quotes:
The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. "Where there is no vision, the people perish" (Proverbs 29:18). Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God's remnant people in the true testimony. He will bring in spurious visions to mislead, and will mingle the false with the true, and so disgust people that they will regard everything that bears the name of visions as a species of fanaticism; but honest souls, by contrasting false and true, will be enabled to distinguish between them. {10MR 311.1} (Ellen White's writings are often referred to as the Testimony of the Spirit of God. They are meant to enhance or confirm the words of scripture.)
One of the most blatant references in the writings of Ellen White that show this distinction and fulfillment, has to do with the events surrounding the crucifixion of our saviour Yahushua. It is found in the following quote:
"That was a never-to-be-forgotten Sabbath to the sorrowing disciples, and also to the priests, rulers, scribes, and people. At the setting of the sun on the evening of the preparation day the trumpets sounded, signifying that the Sabbath had begun." (Desire of Ages 775)
"From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath." Said the angel: "Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is. I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: "Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet." Said the angel: "If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject." I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at "even," and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together.
It is clear in the above statements, that the Sabbath (as well as all other days) begins at sunset. The statements support what has been observed for centuries by the Hebrews, albeit intermittent at times.
There are several implications, or problems when dealing with the statements above.
1. Sabbath, and all other biblical days begin at sunset, or Ellen White is wrong.
2. If Ellen White is wrong, and it's possible, then does this make her invalid as a prophet?
3. In any case, if she was accurate in this statement, and we disregard it's intended meaning, what have we done to her stature as a prophet? What have we done to the meanings of her words? And to the words of scripture? We may be on unholy or dangerous ground if we disregard, or even slightly twist the words and meanings to make them fit what we believe or want to believe.
In order to reckon the day by the rising of the sun, and observe the sabbath for only the daylight hours, we have to have TOTAL DISREGARD for the writings of Ellen White. We cannot pick and choose, using one principle here, another there, and tossing out what we don't like because it doesn't fit our framework of belief or thinking.
The Egyptians appear to have historically swapped the halves of the day, daylight, then darkness, instead of what appears to be the biblical reckoning of the day; darkness then daylight. So one has to ask; by using the sunrise reckoning of the day, beginning the day at sunrise, and observing the daylight hours only for the Sabbath, have we returned to EGYPT?
I admit the possibility that I could be wrong about this. If that proves to be the case, I will stand immediately corrected. In the meantime, Unless something absolutely concrete and without question surfaces, I will choose the path of least error. I will keep the hours that appear to be bibilically correct, sunset to sunset for the sabbath. I will observe the full 24 hour day as the sabbath until clear correction is made.
I'm keeping the part of the day sunrisers are anyhow, and one thing that I don't want to do, is to shortchange God on time and not be present when He has arranged to meet with me at a specifically appointed time.
(NOTE: Many verses in scripture are presented to "prove" the sunrise reckoning of the day. Most, if not all, are verses that can be interpreted in both ways; either sunrise reckoning or sunset reckoning. Because a verse can be interpreted in both ways, it does not make one position or the other valid unless the position can be supported by corroborating evidence.)
If you are a Seventh Day Adventist, or former SDA, and you have adopted the sunrise reckoning of the day, and daylight hours only for the Sabbath, you may have essentially fulfilled some of the end time prophecies of Ellen White. Ellen White told us that in the last days, near the end, that her writings, for all practical purposes, would be made void. The description of that fulfillment is found in the following quotes:
The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. "Where there is no vision, the people perish" (Proverbs 29:18). Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God's remnant people in the true testimony. He will bring in spurious visions to mislead, and will mingle the false with the true, and so disgust people that they will regard everything that bears the name of visions as a species of fanaticism; but honest souls, by contrasting false and true, will be enabled to distinguish between them. {10MR 311.1} (Ellen White's writings are often referred to as the Testimony of the Spirit of God. They are meant to enhance or confirm the words of scripture.)
One of the most blatant references in the writings of Ellen White that show this distinction and fulfillment, has to do with the events surrounding the crucifixion of our saviour Yahushua. It is found in the following quote:
"That was a never-to-be-forgotten Sabbath to the sorrowing disciples, and also to the priests, rulers, scribes, and people. At the setting of the sun on the evening of the preparation day the trumpets sounded, signifying that the Sabbath had begun." (Desire of Ages 775)
"From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath." Said the angel: "Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is. I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: "Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet." Said the angel: "If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject." I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at "even," and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together.
It is clear in the above statements, that the Sabbath (as well as all other days) begins at sunset. The statements support what has been observed for centuries by the Hebrews, albeit intermittent at times.
There are several implications, or problems when dealing with the statements above.
1. Sabbath, and all other biblical days begin at sunset, or Ellen White is wrong.
2. If Ellen White is wrong, and it's possible, then does this make her invalid as a prophet?
3. In any case, if she was accurate in this statement, and we disregard it's intended meaning, what have we done to her stature as a prophet? What have we done to the meanings of her words? And to the words of scripture? We may be on unholy or dangerous ground if we disregard, or even slightly twist the words and meanings to make them fit what we believe or want to believe.
In order to reckon the day by the rising of the sun, and observe the sabbath for only the daylight hours, we have to have TOTAL DISREGARD for the writings of Ellen White. We cannot pick and choose, using one principle here, another there, and tossing out what we don't like because it doesn't fit our framework of belief or thinking.
The Egyptians appear to have historically swapped the halves of the day, daylight, then darkness, instead of what appears to be the biblical reckoning of the day; darkness then daylight. So one has to ask; by using the sunrise reckoning of the day, beginning the day at sunrise, and observing the daylight hours only for the Sabbath, have we returned to EGYPT?
I admit the possibility that I could be wrong about this. If that proves to be the case, I will stand immediately corrected. In the meantime, Unless something absolutely concrete and without question surfaces, I will choose the path of least error. I will keep the hours that appear to be bibilically correct, sunset to sunset for the sabbath. I will observe the full 24 hour day as the sabbath until clear correction is made.
I'm keeping the part of the day sunrisers are anyhow, and one thing that I don't want to do, is to shortchange God on time and not be present when He has arranged to meet with me at a specifically appointed time.
(NOTE: Many verses in scripture are presented to "prove" the sunrise reckoning of the day. Most, if not all, are verses that can be interpreted in both ways; either sunrise reckoning or sunset reckoning. Because a verse can be interpreted in both ways, it does not make one position or the other valid unless the position can be supported by corroborating evidence.)
Thursday, September 9, 2010
The Different Ends of the 14th Day of the Biblical Month
There are two different Hebrew terms used to define the ends of the 14th day of the Biblical Month. These terms are found in Exodus 12:6 and Exodus 12:18. The first term is "between the evenings" and logically appears at the beginning of the 24 hour period of the 14th day. The other term is "even" or "at even" and appears to define the end of the 24 hour period, at the end of the 14th day and the beginning of the 15th day. These terms only fit logically in a sunset reckoning to begin the 24 hour day. When they are used in a sunrise reckoning of the day, they force events and chronology to be placed in awkward places in time, and force other events out of their proper time. See other articles on this blog, or linked, particularly the article on two Passovers in a sunrise reckoning.
Below is a graphic illustration of where the terms should be, both in the sunset reckoning and the sunrise reckoning. Notice that in a sunrise reckoning, the events cannot be harmonized with scripture.
If you find that this presentation has errors, please feel free to challenge what you see and send me an email.
Below is a graphic illustration of where the terms should be, both in the sunset reckoning and the sunrise reckoning. Notice that in a sunrise reckoning, the events cannot be harmonized with scripture.
If you find that this presentation has errors, please feel free to challenge what you see and send me an email.
Wednesday, September 1, 2010
The Conflict of Sunrise Reckoning of the Day and Exodus 12
A Challenge to the Sunrise Reckoning of the day
Exodus 12:6 and 12:18 appear to present a conflict when viewed through the sunrise reckoning of the day. These verses point to a specific point in time and at specific events.
Both points in time occur on the fourteenth day of the month, at even, or between the evenings. In the sunrise reckoning of the day, there is only one point in time that these verses can occur. That point in time is at the end of the daylight period of the 14th day, beginning the evening and night period.
I believe the difficulty in reconciling this scenario is caused by a misunderstanding or lack understanding of the phrase "between the evenings." This phrase occurs about half a dozen times in OT scripture at very key points of understanding. If you do not have an understanding of "between the evenings," this may be where you need to begin examining this dilemma.
If you believe this challenge to be in error, please feel free to challenge this material. I remain open to learning if this conflict can be resolved by scripture.
Wednesday, August 4, 2010
Why Two Passovers in a Sunrise Reckoning of the Biblical Day
(Click one of the links at the bottom of text for full article)
Many Lunar Sabbatarians today have or are adopting the reckoning of the Biblical Day that begins at sunrise. In addition, many of those observe 12 hours for Shabbat, instead of the 24 hours that many of us have been taught. Which is correct? Does the scriptural day begin at sunrise or sunset? Is Shabbat to be observed for 12 hours or 24? Does night come before day, or is it the other way around?
Many Lunar Sabbatarians today have or are adopting the reckoning of the Biblical Day that begins at sunrise. In addition, many of those observe 12 hours for Shabbat, instead of the 24 hours that many of us have been taught. Which is correct? Does the scriptural day begin at sunrise or sunset? Is Shabbat to be observed for 12 hours or 24? Does night come before day, or is it the other way around?
The chronology surrounding the Passover, Exodus, and the Crucifixion may provide some answers as to how the Biblical day should be reckoned. At the least, the timing and chronology of the events point out some unavoidable problems with sunrise reckoning.
In the end, there are some chronology problems that happen with the sunrise reckoning that simply cannot be ignored.The link provided below is for a paper that reveals some very interesting manipulation of scripture that is necessary in an attempt to make the sunrise reckoning of the day credible.
Please feel free to point out errors, omissions, unscriptural claims, etc.
Monday, August 2, 2010
Sunrise Reckoning and Between the Evenings
Do scriptural days have beginnings and ends? Do they start at sunrise or sunset? A closer look at "beyn ha arbayim" or "between the evenings" gives us some very good clues.
Sunday, August 1, 2010
Thursday, July 29, 2010
Has The Meaning of "DAY" in Genesis Been Misinterpreted
A Closer Look At "Day" in Genesis: 12 Hours or 24? Sunrise or Sunset?
Here's some observations and questions to challenge your mental stewpot
I have read many papers, studied and looked at scripture over and over, and kept asking questions. What is the justification for sunrise reckoning of the day? And more importantly, what is the basis and support for sunrise sabbath and observance for only the daylight portion of the day, approximately 12 hours? Are there some things that are getting overlooked? The following are some observations and questions I have developed as I have looked at the account of Genesis 1 and 2, again and again.
"Sunrisers" hereafter refers to those holding a sunrise reckoning of the day, and daylight hours only observance of the Sabbath.
When I read a paper or study on the sunrise position of reckoning the day, usually the first thing I notice is a definition from Strong's Concordance:
Strong's Definition: from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours)
Invariably, this seems to be the definition most "sunrisers" are relying on. But is it accurate? You might be interested to know that I have found Strong's to be the only place that I can find that definition at this point. If you have another source, I would sure like to see it. So if there is only one witness with this definition, is it accurate? And what is the source of Strong's information to formulate this definition?
Here's the observations and questions to tickle your mental palate:
How many days are in creation week?
What is the length of those days during creation week?
If one believes in the 7 literal days of creations, then those days must be approximately 24 hours. If there are 7 days (whole units) in the creation week, what is the justification and scriptural support for redefining the "day" in Genesis as only 12 hours? (Particularly on the first 3 days when the sun was not yet appointed.)What is the length of the 7th day in creation week?
If it is not 24 hours, what is the scriptural support for redefining it into another time period in Gensis? (12 hours)
What is the definition of day in the creation week?
Strong's Definition: from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours)
This is usually the first, and sometimes only, definition that those of the sunrise persuasion quote. Why is a definition used that could not have existed on the 1st day of creation?
What day was the sun "made" or activated during creation week?
This question of the definition of day has to be defined on day ONE, not on day FOUR. One cannot simply redefine a day into 12 hours without support or confirmation from scripture.
What does evening and morning mean on the 1st day of creation week, when no sun or moon was made/activated?
What is the meaning of day on the 1st day of creation week, when there was no sun and moon in play?
What is the scriptural support for 1/14th?
There are biblical principles for 1/10th, and 1/7th, (ten or seven). If the Sabbath is only 12 hours of daylight on the 7th day, (1/14th of a week) what is the biblical principle and support for 1/14th?
Recent studies about the cycle of 7 (septacircans) within the human body are very interesting. If this is a divine principle by design, what happens to our mind, body, and soul if we are not in harmony with that cycle?
Here's a hypothetical question to consider:
According to sunrise reckoning, and daylight only observance of Sabbath, how would you know when to observe Sabbath if it was on one of the first three days of creation? Evening and morning existed, but no sunrise or sunset. (Remember, this is just hypothetical to make a point)
I'll be interested in your thoughts of course.
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